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Human Cell Atlas co-founder Sarah Teichmann: the single-cell reference is near a first draft, and drug development uses it first for targets and safety

KFF's The Business of Health with Chip Kahn · 41:11 · Open on YouTube ↗
Guest
Sarah TeichmannChair in Stem Cell Medicine, University of Cambridge; co-founder, Human Cell Atlas; vice president, GSKProfile, roles and records →
Company
Human Cell Atlas
Source
KFF's The Business of Health with Chip Kahn ↗Published · 41:11
Core signal

Teichmann says the Human Cell Atlas is close to finishing a first draft of its reference map of the body, built from single-cell data on cells taken out of tissue. Where she expects it to count first in drug development is in showing which cells a target is expressed in and where a drug could cause harm; going from an AI prediction to the lab, she says, is a back and forth across several kinds of experiment, not one prediction and one test.

What this adds

The interview gives the atlas's progress and one figure: the first draft is 'approaching completion', and the v1.0 blood reference holds over 10,000 samples from North America, Latin America, Europe and Asia. She also says the healthy-tissue data already shows which cells a target acts in, and that her own group's retrospective analysis found that a target's cell-type specificity in the disease tissue goes with progress through clinical trials.

Current boundary

The first draft has no date and no stated list of tissues. The prediction of clinical success comes from a retrospective analysis whose abstract says it is robust for progress from Phase I to II and less clear for approval. The atlas's effect on drug development, she says herself, is still being quantified.

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What they said

  1. The atlas is the layer between genome and physiology

    She places the Human Cell Atlas after the Human Genome Project and the Cancer Genome Project: single-cell and spatial genomics that measure each cell's molecular fingerprint and where it sits in tissue. Her example is variants that raise the risk of atrial fibrillation: read so far from averaged heart-tissue samples, they now appear to act in electrically active myocardial sleeve cells in the pulmonary vein, and in the opposite direction from the bulk data, raising expression of an enzyme that makes polyamines.

    “Before we had kind of a Google at the level of cities and towns and villages, now we have a Google Street Maps at the level of individual houses.”Sarah Teichmann
  2. The healthy reference alone already informs targets and safety

    Even from healthy tissue alone, she says, the atlas shows which cells express a drug target and how much, which matters for safety and toxicity. Disease atlases come mostly from separate cohort studies using the same technology; set against the healthy reference, they show which cell changes drive a disease early and which follow, and they help stratify patients. Citing her group's preprint, she says such data predicts which targets pass Phase I, II and III, and that the Zou lab's Virtual Biotech at Stanford found something similar with AI agents.

  3. From prediction to lab is a climb, one level at a time

    Asked what must happen before an AI-suggested target earns lab money, she describes a back and forth between data science and wet lab. Most of the atlas is inferred from RNA, so the first test is whether the protein is really on the cell surface; then perturbation experiments in the cell type concerned, then organoids, engineered tissues and perhaps animals. The high-throughput lab in the loop is already clear for antibody development; she thinks the same loop can run across kinds of experiment, each step earning the confidence for a more complex and costly one.

  4. Disease is the real perturbation, and scientists still choose

    The host mentions a frontier AI company that has built its own robotic wet lab. She says the cell perturbations robots run are systematic, but human disease is the real perturbation, and data from it is not systematic, so it has to be integrated and modelled with care to say what happens inside the body. Scientists still build the models, design the robots and cell systems and choose the perturbations; much of antibody discovery is already robotised and in a cycle with AI, and those teams have not gone, they work with different skills. Models also go down 'rabbit holes', she says, so benchmarks, evaluations and checks are needed.

  5. Two things limit open data

    Progress would be fastest, she says, if all models and data were open, but commercial interest and intellectual property keep companies' data and models in-house, and medical data on living people is bound by privacy rules. One open question is how much of the training data sits in a model's weights, and so whether such a model can be released.

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What changed

  • Prior public record

    The record's only Human Cell Atlas item is Nature Biotechnology's tenth-anniversary editorial of 12 October: over 4,000 members, and a next phase aiming at 10 billion cells and AI that predicts a cell's response to a deleted gene or a drug.

    This interview adds

    A co-founder gives the progress: the first draft of the reference, from single-cell data on dissociated cells, is 'approaching completion', and the v1.0 blood reference has over 10,000 samples from four continents.

  • Prior public record

    In the Biohub interview of 20 October, Alex Rives put first drafts of cell atlases of health and disease one to two years out (a 05 row on that page, due October 2028).

    This interview adds

    Teichmann speaks of the Human Cell Atlas's own healthy reference, whose first draft is near completion now; disease atlases, she says, come mostly from separate studies using the same methods, and she gives no date.

  • Prior public record

    The timeline holds Stanford's Virtual Biotech, of 17 September: agents annotating 55,984 trials found that drugs against cell-type-specific genes reach market more often.

    This interview adds

    She ties this kind of finding to cell atlas data, citing her group's 2024 retrospective analysis, and calls it the atlas's effect on drug development 'beginning to play out', with the quantifying still under way.

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Why it matters

Where a cell map enters drug development first

The uses she names sit in target choice and safety: which cells express a target and how much, and whether a drug will hit cells it should not; and multi-specific antibodies designed as an AND gate on two proteins the same cell expresses, so they bind only tumour cells carrying both. None of these needs a model that simulates the cell, only an expression map at high enough resolution, so they can be tested sooner than virtual-cell models can.

What a lab loop looks like outside antibodies

In antibody development the predict, screen and redesign loop can run automatically. The target validation she describes is different: each round moves to a costlier kind of experiment, from surface protein to perturbation, organoids and animals, so the experiments set the loop's pace, not the model. Reading a system that calls itself closed-loop means asking which of the two loops it runs.

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Claims and boundaries

ClaimWhose voiceWhere it stands

The Human Cell Atlas's first draft reference, from single-cell data on dissociated cells, is approaching completion.

Company-reported

Her own account of the consortium's progress, with no date or list of tissues; not checked here against a consortium release.

The v1.0 blood reference holds over 10,000 samples from North America, Latin America, Europe and Asia.

Company-reported

She hedges it herself ('I think over 10,000'); the figure was not checked on the data portal.

Atrial fibrillation risk variants act in myocardial sleeve cells of the pulmonary vein, in the opposite direction from bulk data.

Company-reported

She calls it her group's recent work; the paper was not read here.

Cell atlas data predicts which targets and drugs pass Phase I, II and III.

Company-reported

She cites her own group's preprint (medRxiv, April 2024). Its abstract says cell-type specificity robustly predicts progress from Phase I to II and that its link to approval is 'less clear', narrower than the interview; and it is retrospective.

Going from AI prediction to the lab is an iteration across kinds of experiment, not one prediction and one test.

Guest's judgment

Her view of how the work goes, with no worked example in figures.

Robotised perturbation data is systematic, disease data is not, and it needs careful integration to say what happens in the body.

Guest's judgment

Her judgment.

The atlas's effect on drug development has not yet been quantified, because drug development lags.

Not yet closed

She says herself it is the question she thinks about, and 'we're only now starting to see' it.

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What to watch next

  1. Whether the first draft reference is released, stating its tissues, donors and sample counts.

    Would show up as A Human Cell Atlas release or paper that calls itself the first draft.
  2. Whether cell-type specificity predicts clinical progress in a prospective test, and reaches Phase III and approval.

    Would show up as A study tested on trials that read out after the analysis, or the preprint's published version.
  3. Whether an AND-gate multi-specific antibody designed from atlas co-expression reports measured results in a named programme.

    Would show up as A paper or company report naming the target pair and how it was measured.
  4. Whether a model trained on Human Cell Atlas data is released with open weights, saying how privacy is handled.

    Would show up as A model release stating its training data and access terms.
Source and how it was read

Read 2026.10.29 The show publishes no transcript and YouTube blocked the caption download, so this page ran an open-source speech model (faster-whisper small.en) over the whole episode audio from the show's Acast feed and read the result in full. It is a machine transcript: about two and a half minutes it dropped (the vaccine answer) were transcribed again separately; the speaker names it inserted are wrong, so who said what is judged from content, and quotations come from this transcript. Her GSK title follows the KFF episode page, vice president for translational research; on the show she says she spends 30% of her time at GSK. The preprint she cites on predicting clinical success was read as its abstract through Crossref (it is on medRxiv, not bioRxiv as she says); the atrial fibrillation study was not read. Open the interview ↗YouTube video ↗Acast episode page ↗